Bhaskar Das, Head of Human Resources, Cognizant Technology
Solutions, Europe and India, is an alumnus of XLRI, with
over 10 years of experience in Human Resources. Bhaskar is a certified
Lead Assessor for ISO 9000.
Could you tell us about the employee referral
programmes at CTS.
We
have this programme for the last four years, much before it became
a buzzword in the IT industry. Over the last two years we have
been constantly fine tuning this programme and we got excellent
results because of this. It provided 40% of the total number of
people who joined us. The total number of people who joined us
last year was 1,500. The employee referral programme is therefore
the single largest source of employees for CTS. We obviously use
head-hunters, consultants, advertisements and we have unsolicited
walk-ins also. And when I said fine tune, it is not about money
alone. The money has been more or less constant over the last 36
months. But we have seen the results of this programme increasing
in terms of percentage over the last three years. So with money
being constant, and results increasing, it means that something
else is happening. And one of the biggest things that is happening
is communication. Communication within the organisation across
all levels. And remember, all this is without diluting any standardized
process. We are a CMM Level 5 organisation and my recruitment
process is as good as any customer interaction or software development
process. We are also ISO 9000 certified. This means basically
that a referral doesnt entitle a person for a clean or an
easy walk-in to the organisation. It means following exactly the
same process that one would have to follow if he were to come from
any other source. So we maintain the process integrity and I maintain
my cost base, which I have not increased over the past 36 months.
But I get increasingly larger and larger returns and that is why
we are very proud of our employee referral system.
Why is that you seem to go in for freshers,
when a majority of software development companies are going in only
for experienced programmers?
See, it is a very complex decision. But there are a couple of
important things, like the cost of the search. So you are talking
of a person with three or four years experience. What is my cost
of search for this person? There are about 60,000 to 80,000 fresh
engineers coming out every year into the market and it is quite
a big task to search and find out whom you want and who wants you.
So the cost of search is the first parameter that we are looking
at. Secondly, we are looking to leverage our internal training
capability. Having already invested in and built up an in-house
training centre to train young science and engineering graduates
into mature software professionals, gives me another reason to move
and look at the model from another angle. Lastly, our experience
is that software (and by 'software' here I mean coding, programming,
system analysis and design) is not a major 'rocket science' that
has to be gained obviously at someone elses cost.
We
have done a lot of research into what makes good software professionals
from the technical side. There is a set of data coming out which
says that if these things are present, sooner or later, with the
right kind of input, the context and the kind of work he does, he
will become a software professional. So why should I then take
a long and devious route to figuring out where that one unique individual
is (which involves the cost of search), when I am not using my current
capability to train in- house. And I have seen it work because
clarity of thinking, data rationality ...if they are there, within
six to twelve months I have a very good software professional in
my organisation. If you spend a couple of weeks in our organisation
you will find out why this model works best for us. Depending upon
how the context changes, we change our system. It need not be the
only model and there could be other models which could do equally
well for other organisations. So someone who wants only people
with three to four years of experience, I hope has a business reason
behind that. It is not to say that this is a better model over
that or this is better over that. In our business scenario this
works and therefore it is good for us.
Could you explain to us the testing methods
used for screening freshers?
We have a very simple process, of a written test, which is on aptitude
and one or two rounds of interview. Thats all that there
is. I keep on telling people, "Life is very simple and
if we can be focused everything gets done very easily".
At the fresher level, the whole thing is not about selection. It
is a rejection process. There is a lot of difference between selecting
someone and rejecting a lot of other people, so that by contrast
you select a few people.
For example, there may be a 'near-Einstein' waiting to be
picked up in an odd college in the suburbs of Chennai and there
could be an 'absolutely okay, but nowhere near Einstein'
waiting in the large universities and colleges in large numbers.
If I make a visit to one of these institutes, I will pick up maybe
a hundred or a hundred and fifty in one day. But I am missing out
on the 'Einstein'. But thats fine, it is a rejection
process.
So
when we arrive at such kind of parameters, we understand what kind
of aptitude test we need to do or what kind of interview we need
to conduct. At the college level, there are two predominant levels,
which are also linked to each other. One is the GMAT-SAT format,
which is the US test for managerial level, which a lot of students
prepare and take, while the other is the Indian Institute of
Managements CAT test, (Common Admission Test).
Now in this target group that I am talking about, the people who
are passing out of MBAs and B. Techs after
16 years of education and whom we want to join CTS, about 90% to
95% of them anyway sit for these two exams. Therefore they prepare
for these examinations. Now, aptitude is a measure of your inherent
ability, rather than your practised ability. If you practice too
much, you can obviously enhance it to some extent. Now I want to
go away from that and also I wanted to move away from the CAT or
GMAT pattern, because some people who have gone through it may have
an undue advantage.
We looked at the market and found out that the only other long-standing
statistically validated test is the entrance test for XLRI, which
has been there for the last 25 or 30 years in the same pattern.
We contacted the person who had set this unique pattern and we collaborated
jointly with that person to come out with a series of tests every
year, which change every year. And every year when it changes, we
have eight to ten parallel forms going in the market. So it is not
like the same test paper that is going around. But, they are all
statistically validated and they all measure the same. So we looked
at that and at the meaning of IQ from a software companys
viewpoint. What does it mean in terms of intelligence and what kind
of intelligence does it take to be a good software programmer? We
converted all these findings into a forty five minute to one hour
test with about forty questions, which is easy to answer, easy to
correct, easy to carry and easy to distribute, because we are talking
about large volumes here. Last summer, we tested around 22,000
students all over India. This year the number would be roughly
around for 50,000 in summer this year.
What goes into it, very simply in laymans term is whether
you can think clearly, can you manipulate equations and more than
equations, any kind of function in the virtual space of your head?
To put it very simply if I say A cat is a dog, a dog is
a donkey and a donkey is a fish, what will a whale be?
It is not as simple as this, but the idea is, what is the function
when something becomes something else? These are exactly the kind
of skills you require while doing software programming. There is
no point in asking the typical generic kind of things which are
already there in the market.
The
interview process has two parts - one is, how well you have learnt
what you have learnt? Be it Physics or Chemistry or Engineering,
because we are talking of different platforms over here. Then there
is the HR part, which will look at what the person has done. Because
we are looking at freshers who have no job experience, as they are
about twelve months away from their graduation, we see whether they
have demonstrated any leadership ability. It is all about demonstrative
ability and what they have done. Like I was the editor
of the college magazine, or the joint secretary of my college union.
There are parameters worked out from the technical point of view,
from the educational perspective and from the person point of view.
We maintain very strict levels of processes, which means that every
individual who hits the campuses is inculcated with what exactly
to look for. We have 60 odd people in India, who are certified
to be Graduate Campus Recruiters; without which they will not be
allowed to recruit. And before you get a certification, it is important
that you sit for two or three interview sessions and watch whats
happening. The process is very robust, in the sense that there
are question banks available in Electrical, Mechanical or Production all
kinds of subjects. So even the questions that they ask are not
according to the whims and fancies of an individual on a certain
'Monday morning'. The questions have to be standardized because
we are looking at 60 campuses. The possibility of some of these
questions getting repeated is also not very much, because we have
huge repositories of question banks.
What we are looking for in a candidate is whether he has understood
the fundamentals and how he can apply the fundamentals. No matter
how much you have studied, if you have not understood the principle,
you will not understand the question. The way we look at the interviewing
process and at the question is so different that we can understand
exactly whether a certain individual has understood the principles
and whether he can apply it.
What are the attributes and skill sets that
CTS looks for in its potential employees?
The principles, the fundamentals and its application are what we
look for in a candidate. Clarity of thinking, transparency in dealings
(honesty) and the ability to learn and learn continuously. It is
a combination of ability, desire and attitude to learning.
There's
what we call learning to learn'. I mean, in this fast-paced
industry, change itself is changing. Another aspect that we look
for is, when you are learning a new method are you able to focus
and learn? It not only learning, but also stepping out of the process
to find out how you learn, whether you learn well by doing or by
seeing others do or by reading how to do. These are all different
ways of learning and it is important to know by which method we
learn. Then we know by which way we learn best. From my experience
across industries and cultures, by the age of eighteen this trait
is either well established and ones preferences are concretised.
CTS calls work Celebration
Can you elaborate on this.
Like all good things in life, this did not come from one source;
be it the Communications department or from my CEOs brainwave
at midnight. It comes from experiencing fun in actually what we
are doing.
You know this concept of soaking the rice. To make your dosa or
idly, you soak the rice before grinding it and then the batter is
fermented after which only you get your dosa or idly. Now what
was happening over the last 36 or 48 months was that we were getting
soaked up in the fun atmosphere and then we realized through our
ability of learning to learn that what was happening
over here was that we were having fun. Then we went into how it
happened. But it was not like - suddenly the posters came out Celebrate
Work and we were having fun. That was just when we decided
to say to the world that for us fun and work are not two separate
things of the same continuum, but that they are part and parcel
of each other. That is how it happened.
How do you think that the flow of information
within CTS has added value?
It
has added the value by helping us make the transition. If this
were not there, there would be no transition. If I were a Y2K company
still in 2001, we would have all gone home, because this flow of
information is core to the business. This flow of information across
all levels has added value to the organisation and created openness
in sharing.
What is your approach to in-house training?
We say that every person should be trained for ten days in a year.
Our total revenue spent on training should not be less than 4% of
the total turnover. That is a huge amount of time and money. If
there are transitions and if the context in which you work, (the
market, the environment) keep changing, what do you have to do?
You have to re-skill. What does it mean to re- skill an organisation?
You have to re-skill individuals who are the final unit of analysis.
Then you re-skill the team, the project and the organisation. This
is not something that is done to make the annual report look good
or because it is good. We do it because it is core to the business.
If we dont train, we would be dead. It is as simple as that.
I dont think we do anyone a favour by training our people.